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Post by Becca on Mar 1, 2013 9:42:56 GMT -3
If its wrong for my father to pregnant me then how could someone think it is ok to do the same to animals? I must have grown up differently.. Because that always has been wrong in my eyes.
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Post by Jess on Mar 1, 2013 19:48:14 GMT -3
Horses aren't people. Look at QH pedigrees, TB pedigrees. Tons of line breeding there, and whether you or I agree with it or not it's an incredibly common breeding practice in order to proliferate certain desirable traits. I'm willing to bet that wasn't the case here, and in the same way line breeding can solidify desirable traits in the gene pool, it can also do so for less desirable traits as well as bring to the surface recessive genetic disorders. However I don't think you can really say because it's morally abhorrent in people it automatically is the same for other animals.
More on topic though, this is really sad to hear. It was my understanding, from Dennis, that HAPPA was operational and busy as well. Very unfortunate that it seems they're not being upfront with the status of the sanctuary, and even more sad that they don't seem to be there to help animals in need like these poor critters.
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Post by Becca on Mar 1, 2013 20:32:23 GMT -3
I know of line breeding and I don't agree with it either. But in most cases the dam and maternal dam (I think is the right term?) are not the same horse. It was moreso the fact that she argued with me that you cannot register a horse unless it is bred to its own dam. (in the words of chels. *face palm* because there aren't a bunch of registeries for nothing.. That is a bit much.) But sorry for going off topic guys. I just needed a rant.
I really hope they get things figured out fast with HAPPA. Anyone hear any SPCA updates regarding large animals? We had that big meeting I think 2 years ago now and nothing has really come of it has it?
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Post by Maria on Mar 2, 2013 14:35:56 GMT -3
Any updates guys?
Would be an idea for us, the community, to bring up our concerns, ideas that can help, and the major problems that we see when it comes to horse and large animal neglect. Possibly bring it to the NEA board, Kathy and some reps and they can have a meeting with some people from the SPCA and the prez of Happa.
Its very sad and true to say these things are "easier said then done". But with all of us, the SPCA, Happa, the NEA, family support, sponsors... I think we can Scratch that Stupid quote.
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Post by katherine on Mar 2, 2013 15:53:59 GMT -3
I know that when those barn fires happened the community came together and was very supportive. Donations were made by many people. I am sure if the SPCA were to put in place a program for large animals there would be much support and sponsorship from all horse lovers in the province.
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Post by oxmaybesoxo on Mar 2, 2013 17:46:34 GMT -3
So sad to hear of another story like this and to know there are more horses/ponies in need. I think ,I maybe wrong, the biggest barrier in the way of helping large animals is the lack of stalls to house them. If the province had a barn or maybe a number of private barns offering a stall or two that could house/foster the rescues that would be a huge strating point! Having a vet and farrier willing to discount or donate service would help also. Then of course theres the hay/feed.......so much to consider but so worth the effort!
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Post by katherine on Mar 2, 2013 18:15:13 GMT -3
I really wouldn't be blaming lack of stalls anymore. I know that Clovelly has several stalls open. Embarr also has stalls available (however, I believe the owner is responsible for feedings). I'm not sure about the other barns around town.
I wonder if the track will remain open despite racing being discontinued. I'm sure they would also have stalls in the case of emergency if there were any free.
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Post by Rodeo on Mar 2, 2013 19:52:45 GMT -3
If HAPPA is not going to be truthful and open about what is going on, I have to wonder if something should be done about this.
-Where are the donations going?
-What about the 20 plus K that has been donated for a new barn? Where are these funds now?
-Why wasn't some of the 59 thousand dollars they spent in 2011 (public record) used to maintain the fencing they said they so desperately needed?
- What happened to all of the horses? They were there for years without being adopted and then all of a sudden they were all at once?
- If they were not adopted what happened to them besides the one Erin took and is at Willadel (Hughie)?
If this were some other charitable organization, such as the St. John's SPCA, and they were acting in this manner, there would be a public outcry.
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Post by jpoole on Mar 2, 2013 20:13:03 GMT -3
I really dont think its fair to jump all over happa, a lot of time and effort went into what they did and still do. To my knowledge happa's land was not their own and they needed to get the horses out pretty quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still financially aiding the ones that have been re-homed as they had to get them off the property so quickly. They are still going out to calls. The SPCA is government funded. To my knowledge, because the gov funded the SPCA they would not fund happa. Therefore, realistically the SPCA should have a large animal facility/program set up, if they are the only ones receiving funding.
The NL ponies recently purchased were way down in weight and in standing stalls, rarely outside, for the past year or so. It seems to be a case of a serious lack of horse knowledge, which is very sad. As stated, a private individual purchased them from the owner to get them out of this situation. She plans on keeping the mare, there is a stud and a gelding to be re-homed if anyone is seriously interested, unfortunately a foal did not make it. All Nl ponies. Feel free to contact me and I can put any interested parties in contact with the lady who has them now.
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Post by Becca on Mar 2, 2013 21:35:50 GMT -3
Isn't it considered not for profit? If so they have to put out a yearly budget report to show where the money is going I'm pretty certain.
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Post by oxmaybesoxo on Mar 2, 2013 22:18:20 GMT -3
Katherin- I totally agree I'm not saying there aren't any free stalls just that there would need to be either barn specifically to take in the rescues or a few private barns willing to hold empty to stalls for potential rescues
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Post by Enixam on Mar 3, 2013 13:34:05 GMT -3
Rodeo, 6-7 horses, a few young/yearlings were put down two years ago ( i believe it was then). No one qoute me on this, but someone said theyve used some profits for their own living. And ive havent seen a happa member disagree to it yet. Sad that all these great horses, espically ine colt that i liked, had to be put down do to ' health reasons' or ' lack of hay supply' yet not once did they reach out to the horse couminity, because i know we wouldve helped. I inquired about hughie a few years back, asked if he was able to be adopted and what was the process and the reponse shocked me. Went something like ' yeah, hes avilable. As long as you show up with a trailer, sign a few papers stating you cant sell him, the cost for him is whatever youd like to donate and then you can have him' obviously not those exact words, but very similar. Ive seen hughie and katie at a barn near me, a very dirty barn. Seems these new ' owners' of happa, arent doing their job.
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Post by Rodeo on Mar 3, 2013 14:24:44 GMT -3
Becca they do but its a government tax type form.
Jenn, it's not that people are jumping over HAPPA. It's been a great organization for years. It's the way it is being run now. There seems to be many different stories about where the ponies are, what's happening now, etc. The thing is, we need a facility like that. And I agree, the SPCA should have something in place, at least a short term set up if an emergency comes up. I don't know how much of that land in Torbay is theirs, but there should be plenty of room for a small turnout and shelter.
I was a HUGE supporter of HAPPA. But the way things are going there now I would not support them. And I am not speaking from a rumor standpoint, I'm speaking from personal experience. And I have had conversations with several people who were directly involved with HAPPA that also share the same concerns.
I just think its a shame. Hopefully they get something straightened out soon enough.
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Post by star on Mar 5, 2013 23:41:28 GMT -3
CANFACT has a 50 year lease with the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador for the land that the Hopeall Sanctuary is located on. There is an agreement between CANFACT and HAPPA regarding the operation of a sanctuary on that land. There is no land dispute. There was no reason that the horses had to be moved.
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Post by unino on Mar 7, 2013 6:39:33 GMT -3
You took the words right out of my mouth Star! All bull-shit no land dispute. I just got word that another horse is in really bad shape seen a pic not to nice looking. The kicker is this is a use to be Happa horse! So I guess they are not going around and checking on the ones that they adopted out either. We need someone in there for the horses not for the friggin MONEY!
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