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Post by theskyisthelimit on Dec 30, 2006 12:47:21 GMT -3
i wish people would smarten up and get the help they don't think they need. we're not all perfect. ok, I am new to the forum, but looking through this thread, She clearly states that she is interested in getting help, therefore people are there helping her. I dont think its right for you to tell her to "smarten up" and get help, when she is already doing so! She is reading peoples advise and she plans to take lessons from the FEW certified coaches in the area... She may not be as fortunate as you, to have lessons once a week by certified people! Star Born, keep reading the posts of advise people are giving you, there are many knolledgable people on the forum from what I can gather... Also I think it would be good for you (or anyone for that matter) to look into getting lessons from those coaches... Good luck with the horses Star Born!
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Post by shelly on Dec 30, 2006 12:56:52 GMT -3
That was all you needed to say for me to know exactly who you're talking about...easy enough to spot students of that teaching/training too...Willow met one first hand and was not at all happy...first time I've even seen her truely get mad at her rider...
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Post by Upandover on Dec 30, 2006 13:04:32 GMT -3
Ummm
Vicky I'm not sure if your agreeing or disagreeing, I agree that some of the horses here in the show ring are not in a proper frame, that's why she shouldn't be worrying about headset for now, because if it's not ask for properly you can hurt your horse, it is something learned over time.
there is no need for a beginner to worry about headset, not until all the other fundamental building blocks of riding are in place.
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Post by Sarah P on Dec 30, 2006 13:42:23 GMT -3
I've got the perfect example - no one is perfect. Check THIS out. I was taught to do what you're doing, as a lot of people seem to think 'seesawing' or as I was taught in somewhat gentler terms, lift up and pull back and your horse will go on the bit. This was before I decided to educate myself instead of listening to others and before I got an amasing coach. This picture makes me want to vomit, but thank god I didn't do any irreprible damage to my horse. and Now See the difference?
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Post by Suzanne on Dec 30, 2006 13:51:14 GMT -3
I do! I do! I do!!!! BTW: Brandon looks GREAT in the last picture!
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Post by theskyisthelimit on Dec 30, 2006 14:48:07 GMT -3
Sarah P: eekkk... the first picture worried me...
I see from reading your posts that you are much more intelligent... We all had to start somewhere!
Star Born: Back on Topic... you can see that hauling on your horses mouth to "hold him in frame" doesnt work. Sarah's horse looks really aggitated(spl?) in the first picture...
Look at the "long and low" look of the horse in the 2nd picture, the horse is much more happy.
As I've said before, take the advise the girs are giving you! It's good stuff!
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Post by starborn on Dec 30, 2006 16:15:49 GMT -3
yup it sure is but this is really turning into a discussion of pulling on the horses mouth im not trying to sound snobby or anything but i get it. this is sopossed to be my training log for star not a big discussion soon maybe this thread will be locked or something but again THANKS for the advice people!!
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Post by Biz on Dec 30, 2006 17:10:38 GMT -3
I think people are making headset a big deal in this post Danielle, because the rider was doing this to "fix" her horses headset. That's why people are explaining to her that what she's doing is incorrect for what she should be achieving. That's all.
But Good Luck Star Born, it's good to see that you're trying to educate yourself and hopefully Sarah's post will help. I posted something on your question in the Horse Health section, so just take a look at that, and then what others will say. We pretty much have the same point of view about it, and most of us are around the same age, and experience level, so hopefully it'll help you out with your riding. Just be gentle with your horse. Like Chels said, they shouldn't be forced.
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Post by countrycreek on Dec 30, 2006 17:11:51 GMT -3
I think it all has to do with the horse. What works for Harry doesn't work for dutchess. See-sawing works great for Harry but does nothing for Dutchess. I have rode many many horses and all them are different in the way they learn and the way you have to teach them. And Western is not at all the same as english.
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Post by nat on Dec 30, 2006 18:02:19 GMT -3
jeanine i wouldnt see saw on harry his teeth are baddd...thats why he gets pissy!!
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Post by countrycreek on Dec 30, 2006 18:20:09 GMT -3
it wasn't his teeth after. it was just casue he wasn't use to the western bit. he didn't know what i was asking casue he was very green when i got him. but i have been working with him and now he knows. hes fine now
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Post by happilyeverafter on Dec 30, 2006 18:51:14 GMT -3
Perhaps one of the mods can clean up any posts that arent necessary in this (maybe all of them? haha) and we can continue this discussion in the thread made for it!
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Post by Vicky on Dec 30, 2006 19:04:27 GMT -3
Danielle-I was agreeing with you!
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Post by Upandover on Dec 30, 2006 20:01:18 GMT -3
Sorry, I wasn't sure
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Post by starborn on Dec 30, 2006 21:27:05 GMT -3
i agree with you gill!!
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