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Post by kaylurr on Dec 4, 2005 23:16:46 GMT -3
he is more like prancer. he only paces sometimes.. its strange. im going to have ask people who have worked with him before and ask them. i know he did learn it off the standardbreds he was with though.
he has standardbred in him which are accostemed to pacing anyway. ill work him out if it if it kills me!
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Post by Sarah P on Dec 4, 2005 23:19:42 GMT -3
Prancer's a horse.
Well thats why he paces, he's part stdb. They can't pick up a gait they wouldn't naturally have. Can he canter? Alot of stdb's cant canter.
Good luck trying to get him out of it..I forsee a long battle
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Post by kaylurr on Dec 4, 2005 23:22:34 GMT -3
he can canter. and he can gallop to man!
prettiest thing ever.
he took off after checkers today and apparently he looked really pretty...
and in the feild i watch him and he is wonderfull. hes problem is that he dosent like troting, he cant decided between walking and cantering and his trot is very odd. what hes old owners (twin boys) used to do is just hop on him, take him to the track and make him run so hes a little confused.
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Post by beauradical on Dec 5, 2005 9:00:37 GMT -3
stbs can naturally trot and canter but i think they mostly pace, or so ive learned!
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Post by beauradical on Dec 5, 2005 9:03:04 GMT -3
prince paced, it was horrible, but he was old so I didn't bother to hange it. HJe could canter nice tho!
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Post by kaylurr on Dec 5, 2005 9:14:03 GMT -3
well joey is only 6 and i think he can get out of it. he dosent want to pace.
he either wants to walk or canter.
nothing in between.
well i sent an email to a professional on the gaited horses that has a site with problems like pacing. i hope she will give me good advice on what to do.
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Post by Sarah on Dec 5, 2005 9:58:21 GMT -3
Well you can try trotting poles, but be careful because if he has paced all his life than his muscles are developed to pace (not trot). So if all of sudden you put up all these poles and say "TROT!" and basically force him to trot with muscles sculpted to pace (completly opposite movements) then he will probably end up sore. If that makes any sence (?). It's the right idea just make sure to build it up gradually  And if he switches from pace - trot like you say then it'll probably be easier! Good luck to you and your pony on your endeavour! |
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Post by kaylurr on Dec 5, 2005 10:08:58 GMT -3
thank you!
well what i have been reading is that pacing forces the horses to hollow there back, drop there belly and drag there hind end. so doing stretching exorsises helps and so dose riding in deep sand (thank god king ranch is getting sand) and mud. also trying to make them bend so they use there hind end and stretch the muscels in there necks
im going to try these things on joey and see how he dose.
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Post by Sarah P on Dec 5, 2005 10:29:27 GMT -3
Aly, there are two types of STDB's..pacers and trotters. It is belived by some that pacing is a hereditary trait, and it makes sence. In most cases, pacer's will have a bit of an abnormal canter (not natural for them) while trotters would be able to canter eaiser. Personally I love sitting to a pace, it's so much smoother than a trot but if you're accustomed to a trot it does feel quite weird.
Also in deep sand and mud you have to watch out. Deep footing is very hard on the tendons.
However kaylas horse sounds more like he's not sure if he should pace or trot. (Prancer had this going on when she first came to Equine) Building up his topline correctly is going to help you alot; but it does need to be done gradually and where he's six you don't have alot of time to start completely from scratch. I suggest you go down to the track a few times and talk to some of the STDB people to see what they have to say. They probally don't have alot of experience in getting a horse out of pacing but i'm sure some of them will be eager to share their knowledge with you. (As well, if you get paddy to do his feet you could ask him [he owns stdb's at the track])
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Post by kaylurr on Dec 5, 2005 11:34:22 GMT -3
oh really?
paddy dose his feet. well he did them on saturday and did a very good job so i think i will stick with him as my farrier
i didnt know he owned standardbreds at the track.. maybe i will call him and ask him for his opion.
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Post by beauradical on Dec 5, 2005 12:00:36 GMT -3
Hillwork. Ask him to trot up steep hills, once he's trained a little more. Just work on teaching him that there is something inbetween trot and canter, and once he realises that teach him to trot up steep hills. I feel like going uphill and forcing him to use his butt might help him learn how to trot. It's worth a try! I rode a pacer, and remembering how it used to be, it would have been hard for him to pace up a hill..I actually don't even think he could have done it. : | Sarah thats cool, he actually was pretty akward in his paces, he reminded me of an icelandic. Looked exactly like one. Icelandics can pace as well as their tolt...I always kinda thought maybe he wasa little icelandic and not a newfie.  he was great either way |
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Post by Pony Pony Pony on Dec 6, 2005 12:36:21 GMT -3
From what I am reading it seems as if the idea is that pacers can't really trot right. Betty McQuillan has a standardbred who came from the race track. He is fully able to trot and canter and he was quite old when he learned how. The only thing he's not great at is certain dressage excersizes. Stuff that requires more finesse. As far as I know he has been jumped before. Zhari only begins to pace when he gets nervous, apparently he was handled rather roughly, so it's just a reaction, but most of the time he does what you ask of him.
Kayla if you have trouble getting him to trot or canter maybe you can speak to Betty, she may have some more advice for you.
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Post by jumpthemoon on Dec 6, 2005 14:09:29 GMT -3
I'll ask my instructors if they have any advice. They've both worked with ott stb's that paced. When Joe was here he did a very odd looking pace....it kind of didn't look like a pace but it wasn't a trot or canter of any combination in between.
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Post by Sarah P on Dec 6, 2005 15:32:54 GMT -3
Pony pony pony, I don't think anyone said they can't trot right.
Theres two types of stdb's, basically. If one's been a pacer all of it's life you're going to have to completely re-'arrange' the muscle mass of the topline to get it to trot.
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Post by Pony Pony Pony on Dec 6, 2005 15:40:16 GMT -3
ok All I wanted to add was that it can be done. So if Kayla's willing to put in the work for it, she will be able to turn her horse into a great pleasure horse.  |
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And if he switches from pace - trot like you say then it'll probably be easier!
he was great either way
